S4E96: Competency-based training, benchmarking with Dr. Paul Giammalvo & Yani Suratman - a podcast by Val Matthews & Dale Foong

In this week’s pod, we welcomed Dr Paul Giammalvo and Yani Suratman to talk about competency-based training, benchmarking and being cancelled from Linkedin. 

Dr Paul is a Senior Technical Advisor (Project Management) to PT Mitratata Citragraha. (PTMC), Jakarta, Indonesia. He is noted for the development and delivery of graduate level, blended learning curricula designed for the mid-career path, English as Second Language (ESL) professionals to develop competency in the local practitioner and build capacity for the local organizations. For 29+ years, he has been developing and delivering Project Management training and consulting throughout South and Eastern Asia Pacific, the Middle East, North, West and South Africa, and Europe. 

Yani is an experienced project management professional having Developed and delivered project management training and consulting professional services to Fortune 500 companies, Universities, Multilateral Development Institutions and NGO’s around the world. 

The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows: 

• Exam based certifications may not be the best solution. Teaching to the test does not help students with real-life situations they will inevitably encounter on projects 


• IPMA has a competency-based certification programme unlike PMI or AACE 


• Competency is the quality or state of being functionally adequate when assessed against a standard 


• It takes 15,000 hours to be a competent project manager on a major project. Less experienced PM’s may not be the right fit 


• It takes 10,000 hours (incl. study time) to be considered a “journey-man” project manager 


• Big picture thinkers do not make the best project managers 


• People need to want to go on Project Management training courses and apply the learning. Companies should not be paying for training by numbers of people without assessing the motivations of the students 


• Managers need to know what they want to see before engaging companies to do benchmarking exercises 

Tune in next week when we’re joined by Richard Logue to talk about busting Earned Value Management myths! 

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